Both sire and dam are gone now. Both born the same year. He was her last foal. I’ve kept him in case I needed him. But he’s bred too close up for me to use. He’s probably 15 hands and stouter than than his sire. We have one yearling- lot # 14 which shows what he can produce. He had a hock injury as a 2 year old. I don’t recommend hard work. He could sire some good using horses if that’s what you need. Give me a call if you are interested. I liked him a lot but I’m not going to be buying mares for him at my age. Good feet- – good mind. Nice horse.